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26 February 2011 @ 04:28 pm
This meta is meta-meta. Does that make the previous sentence meta-meta-meta?  


1) No matter what you think of Balthazar, Sebastian Roche was amazing in this ep. His manner, his snark, his general awesomeness. I swear. He just was aces. BTW, I expect Balthazar's wound to come into play later.

2) The marker->title sequence was brilliant, and I love that they did the freeze frame later in the episode.

3) One of the things I wish they'd done is talk more about the mythology of the story from the showrunner's point of view. Have Bob talk about the intensity between the boys. The one throwaway line about the Impala and talking about their feelings wasn't enough for me. It was less self-referential than taking a swipe at TV in general. I wanted some more talk about the guys as though their life were fiction XD That would have been cool. That was one of my favorite parts of "The Real Ghostbusters" and the reason I think that episode had a heart - it did tell the boys why we love watching them. Why their story is inspiring. Which is something they need to hear. This didn't go there as much.

4) Now, they were filming "The French Mistake" in TV studio land, right? So I expected the dialogue they did badly to come back for real later. Maybe that would have been too tricky to film XD

5) At least they've graduated from "rape-y" to "bad-touching." Maybe next time we can just have sexual harrassment and then get off that gravy train entirely? How's about it, show?

6) I can't be the only one who loved that Dean started out his prayer with "Dear Castiel." Like he was composing a love letter.

7) I LOVED those few moments before Misha!Misha "realized" they were "running lines." Once more, Misha does more with a moment of silence than most actors do with a monologue.

8) Dean saying "Misha" makes me all tingly. And Misha. And his voice change. And I have nothing to say about it. But.... swoon. What was he wearing underneath the white shirt? Was that some sort of homage to something? And... /babble.

9) OH GOD MISHA YOU'RE DOUCHEBAGGIER THAN USUAL AND I LOVE YOU. Seriously. My husband, who met Misha at NJCon and thought he came off like a prick, watched this episode and admitted he had newfound respect for Misha for having the stones to play himself as such a douchebag. :D

Also, Misha's tongue swiping over his lips when he's tweeting, possibly the sexiest thing ever.

10) Why is there tape running in Jensen's trailer? And is that gag reel footage? With them winking? I love.

11) Am I the only person who thought Dean just drew the Deathly Hallows? *dork, I iz one*

12) LOL, CLIF WISHES HE LOOKED LIKE THAT. But who wouldn't wanna pick a more attractive actor to play him? I cannot blame him. I hope he got to choose. XD

13) The maple leaf glow sliding over Dean's face was a BRILLIANT shot.

14) I'm distressed we didn't get to see the alpaca. But dayumn, Genevieve looks gorgeous. And I get a big lulz whenever the boys cross their eyes. And Sam crossed his eyes when she smooched him and it was lulzy XD

15) I like how Sam is all *shrug*/secretly "hell yeah" about Genevieve being Jared's wife, and I am SUPER stoked he gets sex. I really want someone to write Sam/Genevieve sex. Hubby and I were laughing about what happens when he gets really turned on.
Sam: "Can I ... drink your blood? Like, for old-times' sake?"
Gen: "........I'm calling the police."

16) Speaking of hubby, he and I had to stop the DVR for about five minutes straight when the study picture showed up. Oh, GOD.

17) I get the happies when Dean is really stupidly happy. His "Couch, TV star, beauty rest" moment just made me grin like an idiot.

18) In SPN-land, Boston was destroyed.... No wonder they haven't done an episode there.

19) OH GOD THAT WAS A DEAN CAIN REFERENCE RIGHT THERE... wait, did Bob Singer work on Lois & Clark? My whole life has been leading me up to supernatural fandom! Mom and I had a weekly date to scream in front of the TV on Sunday nights because Dean Cain was so hot. My life, what is it RN? <3

20) I love that Dean doesn't nearly have the persuasive power here that he does in SPN-land. I always thought it was a tad otherworldly how they were able to fake their way into places so well. XD

21) Let us describe everything that is awesome about Misha's 30 seconds here.
1) the collar way the hell out on his shirt.
2) The earbuds. Listening to Muse, no doubt.
3) "Oh, cool."

22) Am I the only one who wants Balz/Raph when the line was "But he knows Raphael will never take him back"?

23) I love that Dean thinks he can act. He's so adorably classic!Dean here. And Sam getting fidgety... <3 c'mere puppy and I will scritch behind your ears and then you'll feel better.

24) "I was up all night looking online" YOU LYING BASTARD, YOU WERE HAVING SEX WITH FAKE!RUBY.

25) I love how Virgil lands after the window-smash like he's Keanu fucking Reeves.

26) LILITH ON THE COMMERCIAL MADE ME SO HAPPY I DON'T EVEN. GOD I DON'T EVEN. KATHERINE BOUCHER YOU COMPLETE MEEEEEEEEEE

27) Misha's douchebag smile makes me so freaking happy. I wonder how he'd act if some bastard really pulled a knife on him -- he'd probably talk the guy into buying him drinks within 5 minutes. Next thing you know, they're drunk-tweeting...

28) OK, so that crying gif? I didn't see it in the actual scene. Did they show it in that trailer and then strip it out of the episode proper?

29) Dean's little "yeah, he's my brother. We're hunters" speech was a bit weird. You'd think after Damien and Barnes he'd learn not to try the brutal-honesty thing.

30) I like how by killing half the cast they made sure they can NEVER GO BACK TO THIS UNIVERSE AGAIN. And I don't blame them.

31) All in all, this ep evoked a lot more Hollywood Babylon and Real Ghostbusters than Changing Channels. There wasn't the poise to it, the internal structure that Changing Channels had. I would have liked to see it a bit more organized.

32) I love their "where?" and Gen's "..............where?" XD XD XD that was brill.

33) And so did they manage to fake their way onto the crime scene with fake!fake!IDs? Oh, the meta, it hurts my brain.

34) "THE ATTRACTIVE CRYING MAN." SOMEONE SHOULD POINT THIS OUT TO MISHA: WE LIKE MEN WHO ARE IN TOUCH WITH THEIR FEELINGS. CRY FOR US MISHA. CRY MOAR. XD x-posting this meta to angel_whump. XD

35) One thing that I noticed was that while they were in the set of Bobby's study, Jared!Sam's head reached almost to the top of it. When they get back, I thought for a minute he was relieved because he wasn't that tall anymore.

36) When Dean points out what a nice life Sam could have as Jared, you could practically see him begging Sam - "Tell me I'm wrong, tell me you'd rather be with me than have your dream life." <3

37) "We don't mean the same thing here," Sam says. But he wasn't in the room for Dean's "We matter to that world" speech...

38) "We're not even brothers, here, man."
Dean: *considers*
Dean . o O ( Another upside to TV-land. )

39) Just don't see the resemblance between this actor and the real Kripke. Sorry. I get the mannerisms, though.

40) Bob's "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" LOLLING FOREVER.

41) LET THERE BE NO MISTAKE. THE KRIPKE IS DEAD. And then Virgil's all "eh, Bob Singer's only worth the little gun."

42) I thought for a while the production dude who dodged Virgil's bullet must be an undercover angel himself... He sort of smiled at Virgil.

43) So does Virgil stay in the alt-universe? Can you imagine him standing trial for murderi n Vancouver... *eye roll*

44) I LOVE girl!raphael. She totally has the vibe.

45) DEAN'S INSTA!BONER AT THE WING SHOT. <3 BAMF-CASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS. So fucking hot.

46) OK so let's talk about the Dean/Cas conversation here.
"How do I get you to understand? If I lose, we all lose."
"Yeah, we get the stakes. Because that's about all you've told us."

Guys, Dean's been maltreating Cas because he feels like Cas has gone back to treating him like an inferior. Because now he can't help Cas, but he wants to help, and Cas looks at him like he's useless. At least the last time they were fighting for this world, they were fighting together. Now, Cas has no use for him. And that hurts Dean. That's where the attitude comes from. Not Dean feeling entitled. Dean feeling like he's been shut out.

OH BOYS. JUST KISS ALREADY.

47) The preview was genuinely distressing/scary. It reminded me of the Weeping Angels a bit there. There was sort of a techno-horror feel to it. I'm looking forward to it.
 
 
 
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Tiptoe39tiptoe39 on February 26th, 2011 09:50 pm (UTC)
<3 <3 we were laughing and crying when they killed misha. It was cruel and brilliant and cruel. <3
Kevin Jonesmulder200 on February 26th, 2011 09:52 pm (UTC)
46) OK so let's talk about the Dean/Cas conversation here.

"How do I get you to understand? If I lose, we all lose."
"Yeah, we get the stakes. Because that's about all you've told us."


Guys, Dean's been maltreating Cas because he feels like Cas has gone back to treating him like an inferior. Because now he can't help Cas, but he wants to help, and Cas looks at him like he's useless. At least the last time they were fighting for this world, they were fighting together. Now, Cas has no use for him. And that hurts Dean. That's where the attitude comes from. Not Dean feeling entitled. Dean feeling like he's been shut out.


I have to agree with Dean on this. I am sick of this vague hinting that major shit is going down in Heaven. They need to stop hinting and fucking show us already!

And while Dean could be more understanding and supportive of Cas, Cas could do the same to Dean. I mean he hasn't told the boys anything so how they can care or be worried?

They need to start talking again for real!
Tiptoe39tiptoe39 on February 26th, 2011 09:55 pm (UTC)
They do. There's been a communications breakdown (hello, potential fic title) and they need to start sharing again. It was Cas sharing his innermost feelings and doubts with Dean that was so touching about their relationship before. And Dean doing the same, like in that hospital bed in the end of 4x16... god.

It's like they've both touched fire and they're afraid to get near it again. When they could potentially find that their vulnerability is also their strength...

Wow. I'm babbling >.>
Kevin Jonesmulder200 on February 26th, 2011 09:58 pm (UTC)
They do. There's been a communications breakdown (hello, potential fic title) and they need to start sharing again. It was Cas sharing his innermost feelings and doubts with Dean that was so touching about their relationship before. And Dean doing the same, like in that hospital bed in the end of 4x16... god.

Oh! Good idea!

At this point, anything that can fix their relationship is welcome.

Ah! S4 was so good!
pizza queen: Dean/Sam/Workin this lifeace_of_spades6 on February 26th, 2011 10:05 pm (UTC)
I am becoming such a Blathazar girl, and Sebastian Roche is just fabulous and he did a wonderful job in this ep indeed ♥

THE CANON-NESS IN THIS EPISOOOOODE. ALSO LJAGHKAJDGLAD SAM WANTS THEM TO BE BROTHERS MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE DGJADLJGHAD; OMGGGG DGJDALJGDA SAMMY ;__________; ILUUUU PUPPY.

i need Balthazar icons
Tiptoe39tiptoe39 on February 26th, 2011 11:24 pm (UTC)
omg your icon <3

and sam is adorable really he is. <3 <3 <3
pizza queen: Sam/Hope shining through the darkace_of_spades6 on February 27th, 2011 12:01 am (UTC)
I love that icon :D ♥

Sam is just akgfadlghadg I love him so much and you know that, YOU KNOW THE EXTENT TO WHICH I LOVE HIM. ♥
sin_stained_ink on February 26th, 2011 10:08 pm (UTC)
42. Gabriel. That's my only thought when I see that part. At first glance I almost thought that the guy was RSJ. :P
Tiptoe39tiptoe39 on February 26th, 2011 11:24 pm (UTC)
if ONLY, right? (T.T)
i dream of colors that have never been seenetoile444 on February 26th, 2011 10:10 pm (UTC)
Changing Channels was very brilliant. This was funny. I laughed a lot. In fact, I laughed so much I laughed at in appropriate times like when everyone died! It was just incredibly absurd.

For some reason, I also adored all the reference to them being in Canada.
Tiptoe39tiptoe39 on February 26th, 2011 11:26 pm (UTC)
hey that's my icon XD

You know that a bunch of canadians had to have been pissed that dean said he wasn't in america XD
i dream of colors that have never been seenetoile444 on February 27th, 2011 12:14 am (UTC)
o really? U ok with me using the icon? It seem to fit my mood lately.

I am truly happy because Albany got a shout out!
rockstarpeachrockstarpeach on February 26th, 2011 10:57 pm (UTC)
I don't think Misha came across at all as douchebaggy. I mean, Jared and the Mrs are acting like they've got their friggin' PhDs in douchebaggery, but Misha? No, he's coming across more... pussy little bitch.

And I didn't think Dean was begging Sam to choose him over TV world. That whole scene came across as fake and forced to me. They were supposed to be acting like they cared about each other, but it didn't translate. It was just flat and it sort of made me wish once again that they'd just leave each other and do healthy things.
Tiptoe39tiptoe39 on February 26th, 2011 11:28 pm (UTC)
I'm sorry you didn't like (u.u) I guess you're right, Jared/Gen were the douchebags and Misha was where you stick douchebags.. *ewwwwwwww*

I'd discuss it more but right now i'm feeling really vulnerable so i don't have the stability to do it... just... sorry you didn't like it much <3
rockstarpeachrockstarpeach on February 27th, 2011 12:25 am (UTC)
Aw, sorry you're not feeling too well, hon.

And now I'm picturing people sticking douchebags in Misha and... *shudder* Although I'm oddly intruiged.
Sakurasakura_no_mi on February 26th, 2011 11:08 pm (UTC)
8 - I think Misha's t-shirt said "namaste" on it but I'm not certain. Which in my fangirl brain is an homage to yoga and therefore his unbelievable bendiness.

14 - Did you catch a shot of the alpaca on the mantle next to Gen & Jared's wedding picture? Cracked me up :)
Tiptoe39tiptoe39 on February 26th, 2011 11:30 pm (UTC)
oh, i think i might have seen him wearing that shirt before...

honest to god misha why so amazing
Lady Eternal: BAMF Castielladyeternal on February 26th, 2011 11:17 pm (UTC)
Re: Cas looking at Dean like he's useless.

I don't think that's the case at all. I think Castiel is trying to keep Dean and Sam out of the line of fire on this one, at least for as long as he can. They've already sacrificed so much to Heaven's agenda that I think Cas wants to keep them from getting caught up in this mess. He wants to protect them, because he's the only one who will or can.

Not only that, but Balthazar was able to sell Dean & Sam on the idea that Virgil was coming after them for one very simple reason: every word he said was true. The boys are important to Cas. They have been in the past and if Cas really asked for their help, he'd have it in a heartbeat. They know it, he knows it, and we know it.

Problem with that is that Dean is taking it COMPLETELY wrong, like Cas is shutting him out because he doesn't care. Cas cares too much, especially about his Righteous Man. He's unwilling to risk them, at least for now. If the odds start really tipping in his favor, he might read them in or ask for their help. But he's doing everything he can to keep them safe.

They're having a married couple fight. It's actually kinda adorable in an angsty sort of way.

I spent most of this ep either LMAO or cringing, because my empathy for others starts really kicking in during socially embarassing moments. But I'm still ridiculously pleased with this ep, because it was SO much better than so many others this season.

Is it bad that I want fic now where Cas falls into Dean's bed after a Heavenly battle all covered in sexy wounds for Dean to nurse him through?

Also: the words that flew out of my mouth when fake!Kripke got shot?

"Omigod, he killed Kripke!" >_
Tiptoe39tiptoe39 on February 26th, 2011 11:31 pm (UTC)
THIS. YOU NAILED IT.

(as always my lovely)

It's a complete misunderstanding. Coming from caring about each other and yet not being able to communicate what they want/need from each other.

Go write me an episode tag fic now XD

I kid. Unless you're inspired.

<3
Lady Eternal: Wall Sex Oneladyeternal on February 26th, 2011 11:50 pm (UTC)
Actually, I'm going to rec you a fic: How The Light Gets In, by our dear mutual friend, secondplatypus.

It's not a coda for this ep, but it's still filthy filthy pr0n based on Dean & Cas' communication barrier finally smashing in. You need to read it. ::nods lots::

There's actually a fic currently trying to find the right framing in my brain, encompassing this and a good deal more.

My fic bunnies do multiply exponentially. If I treated every fic idea in my head as something on my WIP list, my response to that meme that's been making the rounds would likely be too long to post. ::facepalms::
Xarixianxarixian on February 26th, 2011 11:24 pm (UTC)
Basically everything in this is just YES (and I even liked Balthazar a bit until the end when I was cringing away from the screen because I was scared he was gonna kiss Cas- phew). Raphael as a women! YESSSS!
And yes yes fucking YES to the Kripke death scene! XD I was all 'nuuuu!' when Virgil killed Misha, but when Kripke and all the others started dying I found I could relax about it all. I loved that slow motion 'Nooo!' because that's exactly the kind of thing that's always fucking hilarious in serious films, and just ...yeah. I love it. This whole episode is making my heart swell with joy.
OCTACOBRA!

Oh God, yeah, I totally agree with your Dean/Cas theory. I was thinking about it earlier because I'm tired of Dean being mean to Cas, and suddenly yeah, I realised that he's probably fed up of Cas flitting in and out of their lives, and not being able to help Cas fight his battles when Cas was there to help them in theirs. He's so frustrated <3 (but he should be nicer!)
Tiptoe39tiptoe39 on February 26th, 2011 11:33 pm (UTC)
They need to TALK. TALK, BOYS, TALK. maybe if sam weren't always there..... yes... i will lure sam away with my feminine wiles so dean and cas can talk... that's it.
Xarixianxarixian on February 27th, 2011 04:56 am (UTC)
Just make sure you don't sleep with him. You don't want the curse of the death peen haunting you.
Laurenjabber_moose on February 26th, 2011 11:49 pm (UTC)
So hey, hey.

Remember that..uhm..discussion we had about why God was MIA?

It had to do with Sam?

Anywho, Maybe Sam got a little frisky on set, and that's why...

I had something more to add to this. And now i just need brain bleach
baba_o_reilybaba_o_reily on February 27th, 2011 12:07 am (UTC)
Now, they were filming "The French Mistake" in TV studio land, right? So I expected the dialogue they did badly to come back for real later. Maybe that would have been too tricky to film XD

I think it did actually! When the boys face off with Virgil. Or possibly when real Cas comes back, I think he says fake!Misha!Cas's lines.
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cassiopeia7cassiopeia7 on February 27th, 2011 07:43 am (UTC)
Sam: "Can I ... drink your blood? Like, for old-times' sake?"
Gen: "........I'm calling the police."


ROTFL! Only you would think of this! \o/

Guys, Dean's been maltreating Cas because he feels like Cas has gone back to treating him like an inferior. Because now he can't help Cas, but he wants to help, and Cas looks at him like he's useless. At least the last time they were fighting for this world, they were fighting together. Now, Cas has no use for him. And that hurts Dean. That's where the attitude comes from. Not Dean feeling entitled. Dean feeling like he's been shut out.

I had to ponder this for a bit, but your reasoning is sound, and yeah, I think you're right about Dean. (You're also the first person outside of college I've ever heard use "maltreat" instead of "mistreat." \o/ Yay for literacy!)

Tangles: Facepalmentangled_now on February 27th, 2011 11:59 am (UTC)
Sam: "Can I ... drink your blood? Like, for old-times' sake?"
Gen: "........I'm calling the police."


LOL! Poor Sam, so confused and nostalgic.
Captain Nommers of the Tastypants Brigadesecondplatypus on March 1st, 2011 01:36 am (UTC)
this
Sam: "Can I ... drink your blood? Like, for old-times' sake?"
Gen: "........I'm calling the police."


coupled with the fact that your brain also made the leap to Balthy/Raphael makes you one of my favorite people right now. <3

I loved watching Sebastian Roche.
and all the pictures in "Jared's" house made me laugh until I could barely see straight