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08 October 2011 @ 07:36 am
This meta is turning red and flashing back several years.  

So here's the thing about the last five minutes of this ep, which is what everyone's talking about because it's SUCH a mindfuck. I hate watching it, I really do. It's painful and it hurts and we all wanted and expected more from Dean. But I can't bring myself to say it's out of character. It's in character. Dean's going to a much darker place right now, and even though Sam's the one with hallucinations, Dean's the one who's really breaking hard. Sometimes it's the natural, not the supernatural, that's truly scary, and I feel like Show is very deliberately showing us this -- the counterpoint between the two types of madness, the sense that leviathans aside, the real terror of the show this season is the horror within our own minds.

Looking back at some of the spoilers/teasers that came out pre-season, there were a couple of really big themes - the idea that the show would be truly scary again, that we would see what scares Dean and Sam, and more recently that we'd see Dean start to break under the weight of everything he's been through. This episode started to deliver on that in a truly powerful way. And if Dean and Sam really are their own ultimate Big Bads, that means eventually they'll emerge victorious.

So I am clutching my pillow and hiding my face but staying glued to the screen, not from the gore and the black ooze and the Leviathans, but from the REAL greatest fear of the boys - losing their grip on what's real and what's right, losing the certainty that they're the heroes. Yup, Supernatural.... being scary, you're doin' it right. Just don't let me down in the end.

Akadougalakadougal on October 8th, 2011 12:10 pm (UTC)
Yes. That would seem a little subtle for SPN's usual shtick, mind you. But I like the idea.

And I agree that the whole boundary between monster/us has been worn away. They periodically go there but it would be nice to have a little more in-depth examination of it.
i dream of colors that have never been seenetoile444 on October 8th, 2011 12:11 pm (UTC)
I totally agree. Dean can be a scary MF. WE need to remember he is a hunter. The last scene was extremely uncomfortable and I watched with my mouth open! But as terrible as it was to see Dean so cold I think it does show that he is not ok. He's the one not managing.
kamikaze_reduxkamikaze_redux on October 8th, 2011 01:06 pm (UTC)
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ZanyRainey: Set Fire To The Rainzanyrainey on October 8th, 2011 09:39 pm (UTC)
You bring up a good point. Dean's behavior is giving me weird vibes this season. I was really disturbed by the Amy situation - I find it very petty that he killed her. He talks of her killing "innocent" people but how many innocents have the hunters killed simply because a demon was wearing them? They touched on that in prior seasons but they seemingly burned through that concern and moved on.

Sam's mental state is an obvious concern, but Dean's is more understated but, I fear, no less threatening. I'll just keep loving them both and hope for the best!

Edit: Also, let me echo archiveninja - topping that guy off with cheese made me evil-giggle so hard!

Edited at 2011-10-08 09:40 pm (UTC)
JagfanLJ: Boyz in da Impalajagfanlj on October 9th, 2011 03:59 am (UTC)
Issues? What issues? (see icon)
I just watched the epi and I was all: *jaw-drops* WTF, Dean?!!?

Obviously, the boy is not thinking straight. After all, he was appalled when Cas killed Lenore. What really got to me in that scene, though, was how gentle he was with Amy after he stabbed her.

I was mentally screaming at Dean, "If you're going to shank people because they might go to the dark side, why not shank the kid, too? All you did was give him a reason to hate humans. And don't forget Sam. What if Lucifer convinces him Leviathans have taken over a school? Better kill him, now. Idjit! *whacks Dean upside the head* "Speaking of Sam, what do you think he's gonna do when he finds out? And he will."

I have to hand it to TPTB. They really know how to jerk your emotions around. Everything tastes better with cheese. had me in stitches.
Lady Eternal: Unconvincing Plot Deviceladyeternal on October 11th, 2011 12:45 am (UTC)
I know why everyone says it's in character for Dean. From my perspective, I have to sincerely disagree.

From the surprise on his face when he turned to find the child kitsune standing there, it was blatantly obvious that Dean intended to be long gone before the kid got back. So Dean's plan was to kill the mama kitsune and bail, having neither planned to kill the boy nor any idea whether or not the boy was going to be left alone in the world if he lost his mother. For all Dean knew, he was leaving a child younger than Ben to fend for himself. And given how selectively the kitsune feed and the fact that the child wasn't yet old enough to have been taught to hunt by his mother, that means Dean was planning to leave a motherless child to either learn how to kill, therefore becoming worse than his mother, or to starve to death.

Also, since the murder was preplanned (and yes, I am going to call it that), Dean has to know that a supernatural child that is suddenly left alone in the world because his mother has been murdered isn't likely to grow up with anything resembling a desire to NOT become a killer. He knew that she had killed out of desperation and might kill again, but he also had no reason not to believe Sam's statements about her usually subsisting on the dead. He'd done his own investigation in order to track Sam & her down. He would have been able to find out exactly what Sam did, and Sam's track record with supernatural women aside, the evidence speaks for itself. So in murdering Amy, he also murdered the only potentially tempering influence on that child's life.

Not to mention: okay, so he got caught red-handed (or red-bladed, really) by the kid and got to make sure the kid had someone to go to. After their Kill Bill moment, Dean leaves the kid to sob over his mother's fresh corpse in a nameless motel room. And when the child's grief is over and the police have come and gone, who exactly is the child going to? Other kitsune, that could possibly decide blood vengeance is something they should exact in the child's stead? And that such vengeance should be exacted on any hunter they come across, not just on him should they happen to find him? If the kitsune track down the brothers, who says Sam wouldn't be a prime target for them, either because they mistake him for Dean or just because he happens to be there?

And with everything else that's going on, Dean's really going to not only purposely plan to murder someone in a motel room (WHICH LEAVES FORENSIC EVIDENCE), but, no matter what his plans for the original body (WHICH WOULD HAVE ENTAILED REMOVING SAID BODY FROM THE MOTEL ROOM SOMEHOW AND POTENTIALLY BEING SEEN WITH IT), when the kid happens upon him, he just leaves the child (WHO GOT A VERY GOOD LOOK AT HIM) alone in the room with the corpse? The child who can't very well dispose of his mother's body or get wherever he needs to go on his own, and so would have to go to the motel manager or the police for help?
Lady Eternal: Unconvincing Plot Deviceladyeternal on October 11th, 2011 12:47 am (UTC)
Son of Comment
I know he only poses as law enforcement, but Dean is very clearly NOT A MORON. Ergo, there's no way he doesn't know that his face is going to start hitting the wires again as a person of interest in a homicide. Which even without the leviathans being able to infest whomever they want (WHICH CAN BE LAW ENFORCEMENT AS EASILY AS ANYTHING ELSE), that's just stupid. Henriksen hasn't been dead all that long.

When all is said and analyzed, what Dean did was:

1) cruel;
2) extremely reckless;
3) not remotely planned out to the extent that he's capable of; and
4) going to ensure that he will be hunted by a supernatural creature just like his father was, at the least (anyone remember the ghouls that ate Kate & Adam?) and is probably going to put himself, his brother, and a whole boatload of innocent people in life-threatening danger.

Does that really sound like Dean Winchester to you? Because it doesn't to me. I'll admit to him being reckless in the heat of the moment, but when he has a chance to plan things out? Really plan? He's better than this. This isn't like the Dean I know and love at all.

I will allow, for the sake of agreeing to disagree, that everyone does things that are out of character for themselves when under prolonged periods of intense stress. And if that fits anyone's bill, it fits Dean's. But Dean let Lenore go, and you can't make me believe he wouldn't have reasoned she didn't start her vampiric life abstaining from human blood. He didn't want to kill her when she asked to be last season, even though she'd said it was getting progressively harder to resist the urge with Eve's escalating influence. Amy's murder doesn't make sense in my head, no matter how hard I try to cram it into the Dean-shaped hole.

I'm sorry.

On another note, did they really name her Amy Pond? Really? 'Cause I'm pretty sure I was hallucinating that bit. I was really tired when I saw the ep and I hadn't even been to kareoke yet.
Tiptoe39tiptoe39 on October 11th, 2011 01:19 am (UTC)
Re: Son of Comment
Lady Eternal: *Facepalm*ladyeternal on October 11th, 2011 02:47 am (UTC)
Re: Son of Comment

I'm not mad at anyone, honey, and you you could never be on my bad side. I haz opinions, and when they differ from other people's, I get all debate-y. And when that happens, the safety in my brain clicks off and... well, stuff like the above comment happens. *sweatdrop*

I love you too much for you to get on my bad side, especially not over a difference of opinion about Show. You iz one of mah girls and I love you forever. ♥
Tiptoe39: sorry! - venustiptoe39 on October 11th, 2011 03:05 am (UTC)
Re: Son of Comment
*smoosh* I am sorry. I had a lot on my mind today and I just got a little over-worried about this... *hugs you tight* thanksssssss for always being there.